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Signs, Foreshadowing or just things to mess with us...?
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10/04/2017 - 5:10 pm

I originally posted it on tumblr but I wanted to post it also here for those who might not have an account there...

(Spoilers for those who haven’t read the books)

During the three books so many things have been mentioned that might have a meaning for Cormoran’s and Robin’s future!

In The Cuckoo’s calling: Cormoran while drunk mentions to Robin about the “kairos moment” he had with Charlotte! “Kairos moment. An’ it means,“ and from somewhere in his soused brain he dredged up words of surprising clarity, "the telling moment. The special moment. The supreme moment.” Was that to indicate that Robin will have a “kairos moment” maybe even while she is getting married and sees Cormoran at the ceremony?

In The Silkworm: Matthew after he meets Cormoran for the first time says about him: “He will arrive fourty minutes late and ruin the service!”

In Career of Evil: Cormoran to himself: “There’s still time!” He claims to not know at what he is referring to but subconsciously he thinks of Robin’s wedding! So did he/will he have the time to stop Robin from marrying Matthew?

The lyrics from the song used in the last chapter: A redcap, a redcap, before the kiss… Blue Öyster Cult, “Before the Kiss” (The Royal Military Police (RMP) is the corps of the British Army responsible for the policing of army service personnel, and for providing a military police presence both in the UK and while service personnel are deployed overseas on operations and exercises. Members of the RMP are often known as ‘Redcaps’ because of the scarletcovers on their peaked caps, or scarlet coloured berets.) Cormoran was in the army a redcap so does this mean there will me no wedding and so no kiss between the newlyweds or that the ceremony will be completed and Cormoran as a Redcap he used to be will witness the kiss between the newlyweds?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLTzeijXkAECLVX.jpg:large

Also why did the scriptwriter of Career of Evil had to know how the story continues in Lethal White if nothing more will happen in the ceremony after Robin’s “I do and she is concidered married?”

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10/05/2017 - 5:40 pm

Caitlin said
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In The Cuckoo’s calling:
Cormoran while drunk mentions to Robin about the “kairos moment” he had with Charlotte! “Kairos moment. An’ it means,“ and from somewhere in his soused brain he dredged up words of surprising clarity, "the telling moment. The special moment. The supreme moment.”
Was that to indicate that Robin will have a “kairos moment” maybe even while she is getting married and sees Cormoran at the ceremony?

Of course! 🙂

In The Silkworm:
Matthew after he meets Cormoran for the first time says about him: “He will arrive fourty minutes late and ruin the service!”

We now know that he was right.

In Career of Evil:
Cormoran to himself: “There’s still time!”
He claims to not know at what he is referring to but subconsciously he thinks of Robin’s wedding! So did he/will he have the time to stop Robin from marrying Matthew?

For sure! 🙂

The lyrics from the song used in the last chapter: A redcap, a redcap, before the kiss… Blue Öyster Cult, “Before the Kiss”
(The Royal Military Police (RMP) is the corps of the British Army responsible for the policing of army service personnel, and for providing a military police presence both in the UK and while service personnel are deployed overseas on operations and exercises. Members of the RMP are often known as ‘Redcaps’ because of the scarletcovers on their peaked caps, or scarlet coloured berets.) Cormoran was in the army a redcap so does this mean there will me no wedding and so no kiss between the newlyweds or that the ceremony will be completed and Cormoran as a Redcap he used to be will witness the kiss between the newlyweds?

No. This means a kiss involving the redcap. 🙂 (OK, I am less sure about it as about the previous ones but still leaning towards this interpretation. As discussed a few months ago under Predictions I think.)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLTzeijXkAECLVX.jpg:large

Also why did the scriptwriter of Career of Evil had to know how the story continues in Lethal White if nothing more will happen in the ceremony after Robin’s “I do and she is concidered married?”

There will be important things happening.

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10/05/2017 - 5:48 pm

My additions to your list:

- discussion in the Land Rover about horses (CoE)
- the fate of Robin's wedding shoes (CoE)
- Cormoran's dream about a baby (Silkworm)
- the office located in a music shop street (I'm not quite sure If that is of any importance... but... do you think he can play an instrument? His mother being a supergroupie could have found it important to educate his son musically..)

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10/05/2017 - 7:00 pm

benedek said
My additions to your list:

- discussion in the Land Rover about horses (CoE)
- the fate of Robin's wedding shoes (CoE)
- Cormoran's dream about a baby (Silkworm)
- the office located in a music shop street (I'm not quite sure If that is of any importance... but... do you think he can play an instrument? His mother being a supergroupie could have found it important to educate his son musically..)  

That with the horses might have something to do with their fourth case...?

You are right about the wedding shoes! Good point!

What do you mean with the baby? I don't believe that Charlotte gave birth to a baby that is hers and his! Can you help me out here?

Hmmm that would be interesting since by now he hasn't share it with anyone (if he knows to play an instrument) It would be great though if both he and Robin attend a party to a friend's house and he starts to play something!

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10/05/2017 - 7:25 pm

We Know Strike was at Oxford.

Which college?
What did he read? (The liking for Catallus and the smatterings of Latin suggest a classicist).

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10/05/2017 - 7:33 pm

illuminatus said
We Know Strike was at Oxford.

Which college?
What did he read? (The liking for Catallus and the smatterings of Latin suggest a classicist).  

How is that relevant with all of this?

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10/05/2017 - 7:35 pm

Caitlin said

That with the horses might have something to do with their fourth case...?

Yes, that's my guess. Lethal white is a horse disease and have a look at Rowling's latest Twitter header!

You are right about the wedding shoes! Good point!

I've already summarized somewhere the entire shoe-story. I'll look it up and copy it here.

What do you mean with the baby? I don't believe that Charlotte gave birth to a baby that is hers and his! Can you help me out here?

This has also come up already. Remember, some time in The Silkworm C has a very vivid dream about him, Charlotte, a church and a baby. I suspect that this foreshadows Charlotte claiming she gave birth a baby which is from C. From a timeline it would be possible: Charlotte first told C that she was pregnant one month before they broke up. As they broke up on the 28th of March, it was late February, meaning that the first day of her last period was probably around late January. If I put this date in a pregnancy due date calculator, it gives me early November. C learnt about her wedding and bought the Tatler magazine on the 24th of November. (On the pictures Ch didn't look pregnant.) C has not seen Charlotte during this time, so she theoretically could have been pregnant as well...

Hmmm that would be interesting since by now he hasn't share it with anyone (if he knows to play an instrument) It would be great though if both he and Robin attend a party to a friend's house and he starts to play something!

Maybe I'm overstreching it a bit... 🙂 But his father is a musician....

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10/05/2017 - 7:42 pm

Wedding shoes:
Robin got five hundred pounds from her mother when she was leaving for Masham, and she told her: "Either invest it in your single life or buy wedding shoes." and then "Take the money. Decide."
She took the money and bought wedding shoes, which she even showed Strike. And later she exchanged them to cash so that she can pay Shanker for his services.
I think this shoe stuff will come up somehow in the next book. Will Strike notice that she is not wearing the Jimmy Choo ones? (Even though Robin said that "you can barely see them.") I don't think that the scene when he looked at the shoes were in the third book just by chance... Probably we should interpret Robin giving the money finally to Shanker so that she in her soul decided against the wedding....

Music instrument, music shop:
C is talking to the girl in the music shop a lot. Will she have a greater role in the coming books?

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10/05/2017 - 7:50 pm

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Caitlin said

That with the horses might have something to do with their fourth case...?

Yes, that's my guess. Lethal white is a horse disease and have a look at Rowling's latest Twitter header!

You are right about the wedding shoes! Good point!

I've already summarized somewhere the entire shoe-story. I'll look it up and copy it here.

What do you mean with the baby? I don't believe that Charlotte gave birth to a baby that is hers and his! Can you help me out here?

This has also come up already. Remember, some time in The Silkworm C has a very vivid dream about him, Charlotte, a church and a baby. I suspect that this foreshadows Charlotte claiming she gave birth a baby which is from C. From a timeline it would be possible: Charlotte first told C that she was pregnant one month before they broke up. As they broke up on the 28th of March, it was late February, meaning that the first day of her last period was probably around late January. If I put this date in a pregnancy due date calculator, it gives me early November. C learnt about her wedding and bought the Tatler magazine on the 24th of November. (On the pictures Ch didn't look pregnant.) C has not seen Charlotte during this time, so she theoretically could have been pregnant as well...

I don't believe that! She is a celebrity and if she gave birth it would be mentioned that she and Jago became parents also she would use the baby to bring Cormoran back to her before getting married but the only thing she did was to send him an sms with "it was yours!" Charlotte wanted Cormoran to go and "rescue" her and make a big way out of her wedding and what better way to achieve that by telling him that she gave birth to his baby! I do believe that she will come back and she will come back as I see it when Cormoran and Robin are togehter and Charlotte will realize he moved on and is in a relationship, happy and in love with another woman! She will not tolerate for him to have something she doesn't has! I don't believe she is happy with her marriage so she will try to ruin Cormoran's and Robin's relationship as a kind of revenge!

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10/05/2017 - 8:03 pm

Caitlin said
I don't believe that! She is a celebrity and if she gave birth it would be mentioned that she and Jago became parents also she would use the baby to bring Cormoran back to her before getting married but the only thing she did was to send him an sms with "it was yours!" Charlotte wanted Cormoran to go and "rescue" her and make a big way out of her wedding and what better way to achieve that by telling him that she gave birth to his baby!

  
You are right.
But still... This very precise timeline worries me. This is calculated! And that really vivid dream...
In the dream the baby was ill... Maybe Ch didn't want to keep it? Maybe she put it in secret to an orphanage? (One of the favourite topics of Rowling...) But once C upsets her with living happily with Robin she choses to tell him? Or she just lies all this, but C will need to investigate to make sure no baby exists...

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10/05/2017 - 8:07 pm

benedek: Something else I thought of and I would send it in private but since I can't I add as a reply!

Imagine that Robin doesn't get married to Matthew after Cormoran's interruption and some newspaper mentions it like:
"Landry detective crushes girl Friday's wedding and she doesn't marry and leaves a stony-faced almost husband and leaves the church with the detective!"

Basically Cormoran will have done for Robin what Charlotte had dreamed of he would do for her!
Based on what we know about her character through the three books it's a pretty good damn reason for her to come back and mess with Cormoran's life!

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10/05/2017 - 8:15 pm

benedek said

Caitlin said
I don't believe that! She is a celebrity and if she gave birth it would be mentioned that she and Jago became parents also she would use the baby to bring Cormoran back to her before getting married but the only thing she did was to send him an sms with "it was yours!" Charlotte wanted Cormoran to go and "rescue" her and make a big way out of her wedding and what better way to achieve that by telling him that she gave birth to his baby!

  
You are right.
But still... This very precise timeline worries me. This is calculated! And that really vivid dream...
In the dream the baby was ill... Maybe Ch didn't want to keep it? Maybe she put it in secret to an orphanage? (One of the favourite topics of Rowling...) But once C upsets her with living happily with Robin she choses to tell him? Or she just lies all this, but C will need to investigate to make sure no baby exists...  

And what about Jago? She couldn't just disappear for eight months and come back just for the wedding, so she couldn't have kept her pregnancy secret from him! Also she likes to control her partner and what a better way to tell Jago as she told Cormoran the baby is his? I really don't know... I have already enough problems imagining and making theories about how the wedding ceremony will continue and what the outcome will be, to add this on top of that my brain will explode!

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10/05/2017 - 8:27 pm

Caitlin said
Basically Cormoran will have done for Robin what Charlotte had dreamed of he would do for her!
Based on what we know about her character through the three books it's a pretty good damn reason for her to come back and mess with Cormoran's life!  

Yes, exactly. All those fantasies from the time Charlotte was preparing for her wedding... will (OK, let's say could) come true now but with Robin. 🙂

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10/05/2017 - 8:29 pm

Caitlin said

And what about Jago? She couldn't just disappear for eight months and come back just for the wedding, so she couldn't have kept her pregnancy secret from him! Also she likes to control her partner and what a better way to tell Jago as she told Cormoran the baby is his? I really don't know... I have already enough problems imagining and making theories about how the wedding ceremony will continue and what the outcome will be, to add this on top of that my brain will explode!  

I also don't know... We'll see.

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10/05/2017 - 8:32 pm

benedek said
Yes, exactly. All those fantasies from the time Charlotte was preparing for her wedding... will (OK, let's say could) come true now but with Robin. 🙂  

You have no idea how much I will love it if it happens! Smile
As I think of it, it will have much more value if she leaves Matthew before she discovers what he has done with her phone! It will show clearly that she is ready to take her life in her own hands and live it as she well damn pleases her! To find out about Matthew's actions afterwards will be only a big bonus to her decision!

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10/06/2017 - 12:27 am

Caitlin said

How is that relevant with all of this?  

I think Rowling is clever at managing narrative. She has kept these things back about Stroke for a reason, just like the fact that she doesn’t say where Robin went to university either. She’s usually quite exact about such things. But she does say pretty quickly that Matthew studied in Bath. I think it’s anothe little thing that is similar: there are still gaps in their stories we haven’t been told, and those gaps are about similar things.

It’s relevant because we don’t even know these simple things about the two of them ;and they’re things you might expect to have been told by the end of a third book. If we don’t know these simple things, what else haven’t we been told yet?

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10/06/2017 - 12:45 am

Someone mentioned horses earlier. The current header picture on JK's Twitter time line is this:

https://www.pafa.org/collection/death-pale-horse

(Death on the Pale Horse, by Benjamin West)

How very interesting...

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10/06/2017 - 10:59 am

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I think Rowling is clever at managing narrative. She has kept these things back about Stroke for a reason, just like the fact that she doesn’t say where Robin went to university either. She’s usually quite exact about such things. But she does say pretty quickly that Matthew studied in Bath. I think it’s anothe little thing that is similar: there are still gaps in their stories we haven’t been told, and those gaps are about similar things.

It’s relevant because we don’t even know these simple things about the two of them ;and they’re things you might expect to have been told by the end of a third book. If we don’t know these simple things, what else haven’t we been told yet?  

The signs and foreshadowing things I mentioned where only things that might point out that Robin isn't going to marry Matthew after all but they might be also irrelevant and I'm the one that read to much into them or those things are just there to keep our hopes up... I know that there are some things we still have to know about Robin and Cormoran but we learn new things about them in each book and with every new case they start to investigate!
Truth is I really, really hope she doesn't marry him, first of all because of all the things he has done and how he treats Robin and second because I don't believe he is needed as a means to keep up the tension between Robin and Cormoran! They have both their issues that will keep them apart for some time! Robin must discover herself away from Matthew for example! She can't just jump from one relationship into another and Cormoran well he still thinks he isn't the right man for her and that a relationship between them will complicate things at work... So Matthew for me is useless as a character! And there is no bigger tension between two people with no obstacles between them but despite that they don't make a move to be together!

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10/09/2017 - 10:20 am

"Truth is I really, really hope she doesn't marry him, first of all because of all the things he has done and how he treats Robin and second because I don't believe he is needed as a means to keep up the tension between Robin and Cormoran! They have both their issues that will keep them apart for some time! Robin must discover herself away from Matthew for example! "

Okay I have no idea how to do the quote thing so I really am sorry if this looks wrong and / or messy.
I completely agree with this and I have replied to it on tumblr (hi, i'm detectivepubehead) HOWEVER I 100% believe she married Matthew. I can't see it not happening. We see her vows and I can't see Matthew not saying his. It really saddens me but I don't believe there is a way out (except divorce, of course)
I am all for Robin and Cormoran together but I'm with you on the whole: there is more issues and obstacles to their relationship than just Matthew. Strike himself isn't tool wild about the idea (no matter how much he likes / loves Robin and fancies her) and with good reasons. If they go for it, there's the potential / risk to lose it all. And I would love to see Robin single and blossom (and yes, eventually get with Strike) She has been with Matthew ever since school and hasn't had the opportunity to find herself if that makes sense. There's always been Matthew there to define her life and choices and place. I love Robin so much and I want her to become her own person without a man by her side. I think it'd make her getting with Strike even more meaningful and better.

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10/09/2017 - 1:03 pm

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Okay I have no idea how to do the quote thing so I really am sorry if this looks wrong and / or messy.
I completely agree with this and I have replied to it on tumblr (hi, i'm detectivepubehead) HOWEVER I 100% believe she married Matthew. I can't see it not happening. We see her vows and I can't see Matthew not saying his. It really saddens me but I don't believe there is a way out (except divorce, of course)
I am all for Robin and Cormoran together but I'm with you on the whole: there is more issues and obstacles to their relationship than just Matthew. Strike himself isn't tool wild about the idea (no matter how much he likes / loves Robin and fancies her) and with good reasons. If they go for it, there's the potential / risk to lose it all. And I would love to see Robin single and blossom (and yes, eventually get with Strike) She has been with Matthew ever since school and hasn't had the opportunity to find herself if that makes sense. There's always been Matthew there to define her life and choices and place. I love Robin so much and I want her to become her own person without a man by her side. I think it'd make her getting with Strike even more meaningful and better.  

It's ok I didn't know either and sometimes I also do it the wrong way with the quote thing! Up and to the right of each answer there's the word "quote" so you can quote the whole answer or keep parts of it! You must keep the "blockquote" frases though!

I don't know what to say really! Sometimes I think she might already be married to him but sometimes I don't see it possible!
I can't see how her being married to Matthew will help the story! He isn't going to allow her go back to work and there is also the thing with the deleted message, call history and blocking Cormoran! I also can't see them going to the honeymoon either! And if they get married when will Robin get rid of him so she can finally get independent and stand on her own feet and so many other things like discovering her feelings for Cormoran for example? What's the point of them getting married if they gonna get a divorce soon or won't they?
I believe the best thing Robin can do after her "I do" is to add a "not" facing Matthew say she is sorry and get out of the church and start a new life! As for them being already married I think they must sing the papers to make it oficial! I think of two ways Matthew can react, the one is he would want to show of to Cormoran that despite his presence he married Robin and now he is her husband and other way is he get so angry and puts an end to the ceremony! Robin herself mentioned in Career of Evil that Matthew would accept the break up if he was the one to end things!

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